Saturday, September 18, 2010

MBS Spanko Brunch #244

Welcome again, dear friends, to another weekly brunch. This forum offers an opportunity to examine spanking issues in an open and supportive environment. Our question was submitted by a new reader we shall call M.

Under what circumstances is it acceptable for someone in a committed relationship to look elsewhere for spankings?

To join our conversation, just enter your thoughts below in the form of a comment. Once everyone has had a fair chance to speak, I will post an edited summary.


Anonymous said...

If there was ever a time to describe the state of a relationship by saying "It's complicated," it's when one member of a committed relationship has exhausted all efforts to fulfill his or her need for whatever it is he or she craves and is not getting.

For me, the answer is: Whatever THEY decide. In other words, going off the ranch unnanounced would simply be the first stage of the unraveling of many relationships. There are too many variables and permutations to establish a universal set of rules.

The present day multitude of sources for potential secret play partners makes the idea of
"guiltless" recreational encounters all the more tempting. Ostensibly safe and reliable connectivity is no longer limited to the personal ads in the print version of Shadow Lane's "Scene One." But the complications aren't just with one's spouse or boy/girlfriend. There's a world of relationship grief to be experienced once a secret "play" relationship becomes an emotional entanglement.

Yes, it's monumentally frustrating to finally learn that your chosen one is ultimately not going to be, to quote columnist Dan Savage, "GGG", or "good, giving and game." And a natural, though short-sighted next step would seem to be retaliatory, in the direction of developing covert play partner pins all over the map.

I don't have any easy solutions. I have quasi worked all this out for myself personally over a period of many years. I speak from experience.
My longtime marital relationship remains intact and loving. I have no pins on the map nor do I have any smoldering emotional entanglements out there. I do know that saying you didn't have conventional sex with your play partner doesn't negate the betrayal effected by sneaking around,
regardless whether you think "spanking is sex and sex is spanking."

However, if partners to this "spankless" relationship can arrive to a mutually satisfactory agreement, including but not limited to utilizing professionals, THEN they can see how it plays out from there.

Excellent question--one that looms large in and bubbles under our extended and widely varied community of enthusiasts.

Melanie said...

Personally, I will never look elsewhere. I reserve that level of intimacy for my man. I am committed to him alone, and I will not emotionally play with fire.

However, I can see how less monogamous people in our situation would go hunting. My fiance and I live on opposite ends of the country, so we only get to see each other twice a year. By the time we get married, we will have been doing that for nearly five years. If I were not so monogamous, I can see how not having my man around would be just cause to find someone else to meet that need. As it is, I simply practice a lot of patience.

Older Alpha said...

As a Dominant Husband I would answer that under NO circumstances is it acceptable. Only I can physically discipline my submissive wife. Nor can I correct another man's. (Nor do I want to!)

My wife enjoys vigorous erotic spankings. I don't; but because they're important to her, I accommodate her. I let her know her that she must tell me exactly what she needs in that regard. Then SPANK AWAY!

If my wife went elsewhere for that, it would be cheating, even if it didn't lead to sexual intercourse. Because it is erotic, arousing, her proper spanking place is with ME and nobody else. We have a monogamous marriage.

But this is my view, which others may or may not share. Thank you for the opportunity to express my views.

Hermione said...

If, in the relationship, one partner is uninterested in spanking, and the other one craves it, then it might seem that this is just cause for the spanko to look elsewhere for satisfaction. However, other things have to be taken into consideration, like whether spanking is considered a sexual act, and therefore looking elsewhere is seen as a betrayal rather than harmless fun. The relative importance of spanking in that person's life, weighed along with everything else, is also a consideration. A lot depends on how accepting the non spanking partner is. Does that partner agree wholeheartedly, grudgingly, or not at all with the decision to seek spanking outside the relationship. Does that partner even know, or is it a secret?

For me personally, I would consider it akin to sexual infidelity, because sex and spanking are two sides of the same coin for us.

sixofthebest said...

By consent. If all parties agree, then it is permissable. Some husbands, or wives might enjoy seeing their partners spanked by someone else. Such as is the case of wive's swapping.

S.N.M. said...

When and if the other partner is okay with it. Full stop.

CurtisG said...

A story -- mine. When my ex-wife and I were courting, we played spanking games, I thought for fun and arousal. After those two years, we lived together and played spanking games. And for two years after we were married, we played spanking games when she announced she didn't like it. I wasn't going to force it on her. We had a child on the way and I had an essentially sexless marriage for about 15 years while we did a good job raising our son. But at some point, I decided I wasn't going to be sexless for the rest of my life -- so I started looking, found an ad and ended up with a torrid four-year spanking/sexual relationship which, along with two years of psychotherapy, ended our marriage (three days before our 25th anniversary). My ex-wife was a deeply controlling person without emotional empathy, so there was no way to even broach the idea of going outside with her blessing. When I broke out, our son was in the last year of high school and was about to go to college. From my hind-sight perspective, the only real regrets I have is that I stayed committed as long as I did without any sexual gratification and that the way I split inflicted hurt which was unavoidable collateral damage but hurtful nevertheless. (Did try to be discreet and was involved for two and a half of those years unbeknownst to my ex-wife.) All of which is to suggest that while I deeply believe in commitment, it needs to be accompanied by sexual and emotional compatibility.

TRH said...

CurtisG makes a good point, which is why I'll say: In a *healthy* committed relationship, it is acceptable when all parties agree to it. Wouldn't work in my house, but relationships are hardly 'one-size fits all'. :)

Anonymous said...

It is completely acceptable only when it is done with informed consent from all parties involved.

Whether it's sexual or not, sneaking is a type of infidelity.

And infidelity has consequences.

My answers above are based on spanking as sexual foreplay, something done simply for my pleasure, enacted on my bottom, to warm me up for sex (I would have no problem returning the favor, should my partner request it).

Someone who cherishes you should be able to make at least that much effort. If they can't, do you really want to be in that relationship? If the answer to that question is yes, then just be aware that infidelity is likely to cost you the retationship itself.

On the other hand, asking someone who isn't into it for a 24/7 DD relationship is something else entirely. I see that as something more involved than a bedroom game.

I cherish my partner, so I would be willing to try. Of course, with some organizational skills, I suppose I could get my sub to police themself, so to speak, so I wouldn't have to spend hours every day meting out corrections. Still, if my mate asked me for something so far outside my personality, I might be able to deliver for a little while, but I don't think I could for the long term. I'd either have to outsource the DD thing, or quit the relationship.

However, if I caught my partner sneaking without discussing it with me, our relationship would be over. Period.

ronnie said...

Personally, I'd say under any circumstances in which there is approval from both sides, if they're taking their committed relationship seriously that would surely be the riight answer.


Anonymous said...

A committed relationship means not only "thou shalt not," but also "thou shalt", as in thou shalt try to bring both of you joy. Why wouldn't I want to fulfill the fantasies of the one I love. We are called to joy in our relationships. It takes real grown-ups, but I'd say if all agree in real self-honesty, and with eachother, then it's okay. If you're hurting or dtruggling with no resolution or real communication long term, then you're with the wrong person for you. Happy spanks!

Our Bottoms Burn said...

Let's say it mutually agreeable. Let's stipulate jealousy is not an issue. We still don't think it can work. If you are getting what you really want outside of the original relationship, why continue with the original?

A-Non said...

Here's a related issue that was brought up to me lately. An otherwise happily-married man meets a woman in order for her to spank him. No sex at all. He says men have offered to meet up with him to spank him - same deal, no sex at all. He wonders if that's ok. He worries that if it is a sexual thing, then he's crossed a big line. What do you all think about that/


I think S.N.M. came up with a most apt answer.

Spanking is very often a sexual and/or relationship related activity. Spanking is also very often not a sexual and/or relationship activity.

Decide where you are at, decide what is most appropriate for all parties concerned and make your own decisions about this issue.

It is not one where hard and fast rules apply. There are a lot of grey areas.


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