Sunday, March 23, 2008

MBS Spanko Brunch #114

Hello again to MBS readers everywhere. To those who are celebrating Easter today, I wish you a very pleasant and peaceful day.

Our topic this week is a rather difficult one, but I think we may have the opportunity to aid and support some readers who find themselves in a challenging situation.

What advice would you give to a woman who desperately desires to be spanked, but whose husband has no interest in reading or learning about the subject? What can she do to bring this dream closer to reality?

If you have an answer for this dilemma or simply some wise words to share, I hope you will join in our brunch discussion. All you need to do is leave a comment below, send me an e-mail, or create a post on your own blog.


Jessica said...

I think this would be a really tough situation. I would wonder if he is less interested in sex in general or is that spanking doesn't seem appealing. I would think you would need to talk about it and see what is is about spanking that makes your partner hesitant. Dan and I watched a couple of spanking videos together. There is one on Shadow Lane called spanking 101.

Its taken Dan several months to understand that he can cause me pain and that is what I want.

Sometimes I put myself over his lap. Or maybe the spankee needs to ask for a spanking in very clear terms. No hints or innuendo.


Anonymous said...

If the husband refuses to spank her even after talking it through, I'd suggest she see a professional disciplinarian if one is near by.


Anonymous said...

What about men who wish to be spanked and their wives won't? You posted an implement story about one such gentlemen, do you think the advice is gender specific or would it work for either situation? I think harder for men to be submissive to woman given our societal structure.


New Beginnings said...

I think this is a very sad situation. And it is a problem most of us feared greatly at the beginning. I did without spanking for decades and did fine but once I came out and finally asked I would have been devestated if he hadn't even been willing to listen or try. I think that one possibility would be to tell your uninterested spouse that you understand that they are not interested but you know it is something you have to have. Tell then you just wanted them to know you will be looking for a disciplinarian elsewhere if they are not willing to help. Even if you don't feel you could actually do this it might shock your spouse into actually listening to you.

Aaron said...

I would say that first, she needs to know why he has a problem with it, before I give any specific answers. But here are a few possible reasons he is adverse to spanking, and my advice for each situation.

1. Does he not want to spank her because he think's its spousal abuse? If that's the case, this can be really hard. Some people see spanking as violence and can't see it as a turn-on. She needs to be very clear about her wants, and say that it's a fantasy, even if it's more to her than that. Maybe she could indulge one of his fantasies as a bit of a trade-off. When he finally spanks her, she needs to make it very clear, through her words, body language, and especially sex how much it turns her on. Once he realizes how much fun it is for him, he will most likely not have a problem with further spankings.

2)Does he not want to spank her because he thinks it's "sick" or "perverted"? This can be REALLY hard, especially if you have a very conservative husband. Try to let him see that as long as it's sex-play with you, and turns you on, it's not perverted. Your kink is your kink...he should indulge it. And like I said before, once you convince him to spank you, use everything in your power to let him see how much of a turn-on it is. When great sex happens after spankings, spankings happen.

3)Does he not want to spank you simply because he's not into it? If he doesn't think you are perverted or that you want to be abused, thinks it's normal for you, but just not his thing, ask him for a test run. Tell him it's a special kind of foreplay and you can experiment as you go along.

Also, what are you wanting spankings to be? Are they just a playful precursor to sex? Are you looking for a DD relationship?

Convincing unwilling husbands to be a disciplinarian is difficult. I suggest being a brat until he spanks you, constantly telling him, "I won't change my attitude until you give me a spanking!" Eventually he will cave in. Once he does, change your behavior immediately. He will see that it works and will probably be willing to continue in the future, but you will have to ease him into it.

Paul said...

Bonnie, as a man, I find it hard to believe that he would be reluctant to spank his loved one, once he got over the abuse hurdle. Specially if the woman emphasized the foreplay aspect of spanking.
I think it important that the woman show just how this spanking excites her.
I can't imagine a man who would not be turned on by something that really excites his lover.
But then I'm a born spanko.
Warm hugs,

Anonymous said...

This is a difficult issue. First off, I would advise not going outside the relationship without a conversation, discussion, agreement. It's not a good thing and trust me, I am the voice of experience.

We can offer lots of tips here and we will. Please don't think that any of these will make this a reality any faster than it would normally occur, if at all.

Videos might help. Conversations are necessary and should occur regularly. If you stumble across a book you are reading with spanking references or scenes - read the passage out loud. Bring home paint stirrers from the hardware store. These are all things that I have done to help promote the subject toward the specific goal.

I don't get what I need or want all that often. I will leave a plastic paddle on the bed when I know it will be seen. Its a signal and surprisingly, it finally works. Do I wish he would initiate on his own? Absolutely. Maybe someday. I keep that dream alive!

Every relationship is different. I don't know if the above helps, but some of them can't hurt. I wish you the best in your efforts. I know how very hard this is.


Marcus said...

Elvis made a movie, Blue Hawaii, where he spanks a young lady, then afterwards, she's seated at the breakfast table with the rest of her friends, squirming just a bit, and even makes a joke about her situation.

Watching that, while in the arms of her hubby, and then squirming extra during and after the spanking is a good way to imply her interest.

Then start sneaking in movies with spankings at least once a week so that she can keep implying. Hopefully her hubby would start to get the idea.

Eventually, it should come up in conversation.

Bratsocrcher said...

I think Aaron's advice is excellent.

The fantasy trade-off concept could REALLY be effective. If the wifey reminds the husband that every time he plays the role of principal properly dealing with his naughty schoolgirl that afterward he will be rewarded with an exquisite gratitude blowjob, I think the husband may be VERY receptive.

(If he is not, then it is time to go w/Peggy's advice and find an outside Disciplinarian [Me, for example] who would be happy to give her what she needs...oh excuse me, what she DESERVES.)

-- Bratscorcher

Jeana said...

I consider myself very lucky not to have had to deal with this situation. My husband was very receptive, and we are very well matched as far as what we want and how far we are willing to take it. He started off very gentle and got a little harder each time over a few months. This put his mind at ease about hurting me which was the only thing that has ever really made him hesitate. I think trying to ease into it would be good for anybody though, especially if their partner was hesitant.


Greenwoman said...

I think that the hard painful type of spanking is a difficult thing to contemplate for some people, be they men or women who wish to be spanked.

Let me share a little story. My husband is a born kinkster. He's the one who introduced me. He's also not the least interested in being the bottom at all.

In a fit of growing jealousy about M and his interest in the effect on each of us in his playing bottom sometimes, my husband teased, cajoled and goaded me in to a spanking.

I only gave him a sensual spanking. That is, it wasn't hardly even a little stingy as I knew he wouldn't like that at all. It was utterly sensual feeling, with alot of caressing of his cock and balls along with the spanking.

He hated the whole idea of bottoming until then. Occasionally he's been after me to do it again....I've been resistant because I don't want to top him in any way....but the gentle erotic experience of this taught him that spanking can mean many things...not just the kind where there are marks and lots of crying and aching butt cheeks that those newly exposed to the idea would find unacceptable.

Start with something that's vanilla foreplay I say and then use blogs like this one and others which give a very wide variety of viewpoints of spanking, so that the protesting partner can explore his feelings and the couple can discuss things thoroughly.

I would not be surprised if there was some shifts in perspective once the partner got to see how lovely a spanking can be if its soft and erotic and that there could be just as much potential with something more stingy also....and work from there.

Perhaps a patient and thoughtful introduction is the answer. I know that the concept of something is sometimes more disagreeable than the actual experience of something. Sometimes the best way to introduce something is to just do it one day in the spirit of experimentation and then ask for reciprocation, doing something you think your partner might like that puts you on the road to what you'd like ultimately.

Once the concept is embraced as sexy it can be alot easier to talk about things.

We've talked about this subject before here last year it seems to me. It was a very good discussion that unfolded in the comments...even resulting in some subsequent posts...Perhaps it would help this time to link those posts to this brunch?

Lee said...

Perhaps this reflects my age and idealistic ideas about marriage, but I would have to think very hard about a spouse's committment (and my committment) if he or she were unwilling to even learn about something that makes me happy.

I can understand not understanding the kink, not sharing the kink, and fearing hurting the other spouse, but to simply refuse to learn about it or to try and understand is a red flag for me.

That being said, I'm not telling anyone to leave their spouse, as different situations are manageable to different people. I'd try very hard to give my spouse links to sites and other resources that were not going to shock him or her (Bonnie's blog is a good example of one of those resources). I'd also have a serious talk about finding a disciplinarian in the area, or joining a local kink club if you're not getting anywhere. Sex therapists can be an option if you have the financial resources and can find one you like (assumming you can get your partner to go). I would personally also talk to my friends (I know this is NOT an option for most people) and see if any of them could think of any options for the two of us. Sometimes and outside opinion from people who know both you and your spouse can be enlightening.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this brunch topic. I am a lurker, mostly because lurking is the only way I can receive any sort of fulfillment. I really look forward to the comments.

In short, it took me about 6 years to get up enough courage to ask him, and the response was just about worst case.

It's been another 3 years or so, and since then he's tried maybe twice, but it so repells him that he simply can't hide it, even though he tries, I can tell inside he's thinking, 'freak'. Unfortunately, it seems to have ruined our normal sex life as well, if I plead then we might have sex, but it's been almost three months with nothing.
He exhibits absolutely no sexual attraction to me whatsoever.

Anyway, not to whine, but I'm pretty hopeless, and I thought I'd explain this sort of worst case perspective since it's related to the topic anyway.

Anonymous said...

When I was younger a whole series of boys didn't quite match up to my expectations. In my head, I knew from a very early age that I had this kink. But I didn't know that some people found it sick - to me it was normal. There were a few terrible events where I insisted "Harder...harder...slap me...bite me... HARDER". The boys either turned and ran, or attempted to take on a role they couldn't fill. One in particular got angry, then slapped and beat me senseless before fucking me so hard it hurt for weeks.

I now have someone in my life who understands what I need, who would never ever do anything I didn't want him to do.

Personally I don't believe you can train someone to follow your kinks. Sad though this may sound to some in difficult situations...I think we're born this way, and others aren't.


Mary said...

I once was married to someone who also went weeks and months without interest in sex. He tried spanking me once, we had great sex after - but it didn't catch on. I think he had issues well beyond what I could poasibly face - but I think if someone is not interested in trying pushing may not help at all. I agree with seeing it as a red flag - when a partner does not want to even consider indulging you with a fantasy. But then, there are things I would not want to indulge in that turn other people on. So although some persons convert, mostly we are wired the way we are wired and if there isn't matching sexual interests it may be better to face the fact that reality is you live without or you get out. I eventually left of far different reasons - but knowing what it is like to share a desire to explore with one another sexually - I am glad and I would not ever be willing to settle for less again.

Anon VII said...

I agree, that would be a tough one. Also, like Paul, I can't understand the husband's reluctance, but then I doubt if many (if any) top males on this list really could internalize it.

I don't like being argumentative, and normally I don't like flat-out contradicting anyone, but I must concur with the person who said that seeking the services of a professional disciplinarian or otherwise pursuing one's aim through a third party without the spouse's prior consent is a VERY bad idea. Given the widely understood close connection between adult spanking and sex, there's an enormous chance that the vanilla party (in this case your husband) would view that as infidelity.

Having said all that, I can offer a few suggestions, as others have done. If flat-out asking doesn't take care of it and bratting isn't your nature, there's the flirting and flaunting approach. By that I mean playfully ask him if he's going to spank you if you do something that he's said he'd rather you not do, or in mock solemnity but with a foxy smile inform him that he's going to have to warm your bottom for something you've said or done. I cannot stress too much the importance of facial expression and, in particular, the use of the eyes when taking an approach of that sort. Vocal inflection is also important. Blatant flaunting would include making a show of bending over to pick up something when he's within arm's reach and you're clad in very little. Most men, even vanillas, would find it hard to resist at least a pat or touch, after which you could go after him to let him know how much even that excited you (even if it fell short of what you actually wanted). I once had someone tell me wordlessly by simply handing me a paddle-ball paddle (on the court, no less!) and shooting me a naughty-girl smile over her shoulder as she bent over; and no, she didn't know _a priori_ about my inclination, but she found out soon enough! Still another way (and another that's been worked on me) would be for you to playfully swat him over some little thing, then, if he steps toward you pseudo- (or even genuinely) menacingly, going saucer-eyed, covering your backside with your hands, and saying "No!" but smiling impishly all the while.

I can't promise that any of those would work, but they might be worth a try. The best advice has already been given by others: Chances are that, once he sees what a delightful little hellcat even one little pop or two can turn you into, his reluctance probably will fade.

Best of luck!

Anon VII

Bonnie said...

This situation is outside my experience, but I had the luxury of reading the original e-mail that inspired this question. My interpretation is that the husband didn’t categorically reject spanking. He just wasn’t very interested in reading spanking stories or tutorials. If this is correct, I would offer Jessica’s suggestion about the videos.

I think that men, speaking in general, tend to be more visually-oriented than women. They particularly like pictures and video. Perhaps, the message is right, but the medium is wrong. If this is the situation, sending the husband to MBS probably isn’t going to help much.

I also agree with the suggestions to “make it worth his while.” No matter where one is in their relationship, demonstrating your appreciation is virtually always beneficial.

emily said...

That is a really rather tough question. One thing she could try is discussing with him and asking how he would feel if they met with a potential spanker for her. Someone that they both would be comfortable with and trust. If that would be a no go with her hubby then the only other alternative I could think of is drowning herself in the fantasy world online. It helped me alot while I was married to my vanilla hubby. It still didnt fill the void completely but it did help. There are others out there like that and alot of them are online trying to fulfill their desire thru the internet and possibley she could connect with a soul like that. Best wishes to those in this situation.


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