Saturday, May 12, 2012

MBS Spanko Brunch #330

In my continuing search for great new spanking blogs, I encounter blogs that aren't quite the spanko goodness I seek, but interesting nonetheless. While perusing one such kinky blog, I encountered an author who advanced the theory that spanking was a sort of gateway drug to extreme BDSM activities.

Do you think that spanking serves as a "gateway drug" to rougher BDSM activities? Why or why not?

As always, anyone with a relevant opinion is welcome to participate in our brunch. Simply enter your response in the form of a comment below. At the end of the weekend, I will post an edited summary of our conversation.


PK said...

Oh maybe just a little. Before we began spanking I would have been shocked if Nick had wanted to use cuffs or to tie me to the bed for an occasional play session. We never even used a blindfold before so I think spanking could lead to some tentative exploration. I don't however think it would lead every spanko of hardcore BDSM.


morningstar said...

that's a tough one Bonnie.... My initial reaction was a resounding NO...

BUT then thinking about it, I compared my early days of spanking with where I am now...and following along with the hypothesis of spanking being a gateway - I had to stop and think "Maybe"

But then I argued (I do love to debate with myself) that if I didn't like spanking - or the pain from it - I would not have craved more ....and therefore would not have had any desire to explore further.

SO - all that to say - no I do not believe that spanking is a gateway to anything more intense - the person/personality is the gateway.

joeyred51 said...

Yes Bonnie, I think that spanking is an entry point for many people, although I think using hand cuffs is a close second.

Many people I know in the scene started with spanking and then became more interested in other aspects of BDSM such as rope bondage, flogging, etc.

I know that it is true for me, spanking has been the gateway. The group I belong to SCONY is a conservative entry point for people, just spanking, strict protocols, use of safe words, etc. The club helped me get started in the scene and that initial experience has helped me to meet people and explore other aspects of BDSM.

So, I definite yes for me.


abby said...

For me, yes, for others it depends. I started off just wondering and wanting a spanking. That first spanking (and Master) has led me down the BDSM path, one I never would have expected to travel. abby

Julia said...

No, I really don't think spanking naturally leads to more heavy aspects of BDSM unless that is what the people involved choose!

sarah thorne said...

I guess it CAN be. I mean, it makes sense that someone who fantasizes about extreme BDSM but have never experienced the reality of such would start out with something they might consider more mild and build up from there.

But as an absolute? Of course not. There are people who simply like spanking and that's it. They have no other interest in anything else beyond that.


Ana said...

Not for me, but maybe for others. Even after this many years, I still struggle with just being spanked. If anything, I've gotten more conservative and more resistant to more "severe" things. Self-preservation instincts kicking in. :)

And if it is a gateway drug to people finding out other things they like, why not? It's like saying the children's book _Dick and Jane_ is a gateway drug to later reading and enjoying _War and Peace_. (It probably is!)

Hermione said...

For me it was just the reverse. I have always been interested in spanking and sometimes wondered about taking things further. But the more I learn about other BDSM practices - mainly from reading blogs like the ones you mention - the more I know I don't want any part of it. There is much more that turns me off than the reverse. I am quite content to limit myself to spanking and its considerable variety, and to exploring options within that sphere.

Rod of The Canery said...

No I don't think so. My kink has remained at pretty much the same level for years. I guess that's pretty tame by some BDSM standards. On the other hand, I do sometimes have to keep the sadism in my blog's stories in check - not too many strokes, not too much humiliation. A lot of my stories weave a little nostalgia and humour into the plot, and I don't think this is really compatible with BDSM...unless you know otherwise of course?

Anonymous said...

I can at least say for me the answer is no. I am thoroughly turned on by spanking but yet completely turned off by anything extreme. That even includes extreme spanking. I like the sting, the warmth, the pink/red coloring, strapmarks & stripes of a good spanking, but absolutely do not like to see bruising or breaking of the skin. I've always liked spanking but have never been tempted to enter the world of rough/extreme BDSM.

Make Mine Red

Daisychain said...

No, I don't think so, either...although extreme forms of spanking can be found in bdsm, so can extreme forms of sex, so using that argument, it could be said that sex leads as a gateway drug to bdsm too!!

I think maybe those curious about bdsm start out with the milder forms, of slave/master type sex, handcuffs, spanking, gentle bondage, to experiment before going further; but thats the thing; they are already interested in bdsm. Many of us "into" spanking, or in dd marriages, are simply NOT wired up in any way to bdsm, and have no interest in it at all.

OldFashionedGirl said...

No, not a gateway to my way of thinking. If it is I've been waiting to go through for a long, long time. My sort of spanko thing is as different to most of what I've seen/know of BDSM as chalk and cheese.

A.S.S. said...

Obviously it depends, but generally speaking we'd say it is at least a gateway to ~exploring~ other aspects of BDSM. Overcoming the stigma society places on kink can be a real challenge, but once that is done it very often opens the mind to trying new things.

Of course sometimes exploring doesn't end up going much of anywhere and the focus remains on spanking.

Pretty hard to imagine someone being opened minded enough to try and ultimately get something positive from spanking... but then being unwilling to try other aspects of kink. Not that it doesn't happen. We know people that are strictly spankos and that is that. Honestly think that is rare though.

"I like being spanked" -so- why not try being tied up an being spanked... or a Master/slave roleplay that involves spanking... or spanking followed by anal play... or spanking and toys... etc-etc. That strikes us as a common progression.

good question!
~Todd and Suzy

sunnygirl said...

It think it is a line in the sand that can be blurred by the wind. I like spanking. Handcuffs and blind folds can be very hot. Fantasy role play is a turn on. Master/slave in romance stories are hot, real life, not so much. I like anal play and never thought I would be saying that. Thus, my theory is if you don't try it you will never know. I have even blurred some of my hard limits, but there are others that are steadfast. I think if the proclivity for BDSM is there, spanking could be the gateway. If not, I don't think so.

Kat said...

It isn't a gateway to BDSM for me personally. The *only* place I like pain is on my bottom, let me tell you... Pain anywhere else has always flatlined my desire instantly (which confuses and fascinates the heck out of my husband and I), but a spanking, for some reason, really does it for me.

I like heat. I like the little marks afterwards, too, but I've never been really and truly marked up. The kind of surface bruising I get sometimes is completely gone in three days, max.

BDSM is *such* a different world than a red bottom. Just because a D/s relationship usually starts with a spanking does not make spanking the main focus (top marks to Ana on the reading analogy, above). I'm not into damage nor am I into being being brought to the edge and held there indefinitely, which is a staple in BDSM play. And I sure don't need 'discipline' for my faults -- we may role-play it, but it's in good fun.

Also, I don't consider blindfolds and restraints as BDSM items, either. Liking to be restrained or a bit of sensory depravation is so mild a kink it's almost silly. The mental aspects of BDSM -- which is, whatever the individual circumstances, at its simplest nothing more than maintaining a state of erotic torment -- cannot be ignored. Liking to be spanked doesn't usually cause someone to be suddenly open to a whole lifestyle unless they were already predisposed.

Vanille said...

For me personally? A collar and a leash was the 'gateway drug'. However, I definitely believe bare-handed spanking can be a good 'starting point' for someone new if that's what they think they'd be interested in, and then come down the line they find out they like canes, floggers or whips and other BDSM activities, like perhaps waxplay or bloodplay.

JJ said...

This is a good question!! I think it depends on who you are. If you are already a "spanko" at heart or someone who is already (even subconsciously) interested in BDSM without even knowing then spanking could open your eyes to something you maybe never knew you were interested in. However, I don't think every spanko or every person who practices spanking is going to be interested in BDSM unless they already "leaned that way" for lack of a better term.

Indy said...

Well, first off, I certainly don't buy the assumption in some BDSM circles that spanking is a phase we go through before learning about real BDSM.

Nonetheless, this is an interesting question. I think it depends a bit on how you've come into spanking. Following the gateway drug analogy, I'm guessing that there's a lower barrier to go from marijuana to harder drugs if you're already going to a drug dealer to buy your weed than if you're reliably supplied by your lovable hippie uncle who grows it in his backyard.

Similarly, I'd think that, if one's spanking play is exclusively within a primary relationship, the mere act of engaging in spanking doesn't necessarily lead to trying more, though I suspect that most couples into spanking experiment with at least blindfolds and light bondage.

On the other hand, there is something about finding a rightness through engaging in one taboo activity that can lead us to try more things. This is especially the case for those of us who have entered this world through spanking parties. In that case, you're likely to meet other people who are into more hard-core BDSM activities and even to see some of those activities publicly.

For me, I think it also matters that I feel very close to some of the people I've met in the spanking scene. It's a bit odd having a second life that way, and I suspect that the accompanying feeling of otherness also makes it easier be more unconventional. I'm certainly more open to unorthodox partnerships and more casual sexual play than I would have been before I participated in this community. That's not because I feel any pressure to engage in those activities at parties; it's more that spanking desires seem to make relationships more complicated. So I see nothing strange about a couple in which one partner is always the sub within the relationship, but fulfills his or her need to top with another partner.

I've really only ever had spanking fantasies, so I'm not all that drawn to the activities of the BDSM scene. My impression is also that the BDSM scene takes itself a little more seriously than the spanking scene does, and that would be a bit hard for me. On the other hand, the BDSM scene seems to me to be more honest about the sexual nature of these activities and less homophobic than the spanking scene. So in some ways, I feel like I'm in between the two cultures.

fB said...

No. Actually it was the other way around for myself. When I first became active with my husband we tried everything. I thought for the longest time that I liked the BDSM culture. Over time I have discovered this is not true. I just like spankings. A little bit of dominance in the spanking setup and I'm good. But all that other stuff we tried together, not so much fun.

CurtisG said...

Not for me. Depending on the partner, I find spanking playful, sensual, erotic and/or sexual. The attraction to it is sexual and ultimately relationship oriented. But BDSM essentially is a turn-off, as is severe spanking, punishment and discipline. But that's one person's likes and desires. Not judgmental about others.

Simon said...

I think it very much depends on the people involved. Some people are happy with a simple spanking and other aren't. Personally I was happy with moderate CP practices for years and hadn't really considered venturing into BDSM until I met my current partner. Since I trust her completely I have been open to new experiences with her.Under her tutelage I have undergone many new things which I would never have envisioned when starting out. Some I have enjoyed and others I have hated but to get back to the point I wouldn't have tried any of them if I hadn't originally had an interest in spanking. So for me it definitely was a gateway into the more extreme areas of BDSM. Everyone is individual so for some spanking will lead onto other adventures and for some it won't. What would perhaps be just as interesting is whether anyone who is into serious BDSM play arrived there immediately. Most of the practitioners I've met (admittedly not that many) started out as I did with CP play and moved into the more extreme stuff from there.

sixofthebest said...

Dear Bonnie, on a different subject. Called Mother's Day. Rose's are Red, Violet's are Blue. May you receive a good spanking, From a husband that's true. Happy Mother's Day.

Spanky said...

For us, it has to some extent. Spanking is still the main focus, but we've discovered other fun activities as a result. We're still exploring.

Our Bottoms Burn said...

I smiled when I read "rougher BDSM activities". Let me assure you that not many in the smorgasbord BDSM camp would not take a spanking like many of us enjoy. So much of the BDSM activities are more like magic, mostly show, little pain.

Kaelah said...

Another interesting question! I don't think that for me spanking is a gateway to rougher BDSM activities. I am into spanking and into some other BDSM activities like back-whippings, blindfolds, restraints, power play and certain sexual practises. I started out with spanking because it is not only one of my core kinks but also less closely linked to intimate sexual activities than some of the other things I am interested in. That's why I explored the other BDSM activities later than spanking, at a time when I had found my mate and became open for more intimate play. The same is true for vanilla sex, and I wouldn't call spanking a gateway for that, either. ;-)

One valid point, though, is in my opinion that being in the spanking and BDSM community made me come across things that I might not have considered trying otherwise. That's how being a part of the spanking community in my view can act as a kind of "gateway" for further explorations. These can be purely spanking-related explorations or wider BDSM-related explorations. In my opinon that depends on one's personal preferences and the question how open one is for variety. Some people are just interested in spanking and draw a strict line when it comes to the wider field of BDSM.

I think that I, for example, don't draw a line as much between spanking and BDSM when it comes to my kink, as I draw a line between sexual fun and lifestyle. I only practise spanking and all the other activities I'm interested in either as sexual play with my mate or as fun play between friends. A relationship with a permanent power dynamic is not what I am interested in. So, I am neither open for a real-life spanking DD relationship, nor for a 24/7 BDSM master-slave relationship.

Funnily, I wouldn't call the "BDSMy" things that I engage in "rougher" than my spanking play, anyway. As a matter of fact, I think the spanking play is the roughest part of it all.

Loki_Darksong said...

For me it was the opposite. Being an S/Mer led me to the Spanking Community, when it took form in the late Nineties. It did present more opportunities for fun and was less imposing than say asking someone who is new to try and play with a flogger.

Now I do love both, S/M and Spanking. Both have given me a wide range of options for fun, for drama, and for magic.

amigospanko said...

Not necessarily. The spanking has its own life. For many of his devotees is even a lifestyle

Anonymous said...

I started with hand spanking; and that's like drinking a beer 3% vol. I moved on to hairbruses, straps, and paddles. 5% vol lager packs a stronger punch. Canes now, they are like fine wines--some are like champagne 14%vol. Beer, wines, and champagne are all I have in my drinks cabinet. I won't have whisky, nor whips, nor chains. So there has been a progression, but it has been within circumscribed limits.



Spankedhortic II said...

I have dabbled my toes in the BDSM world and although I had some fun the experiences, they left me knowing that I was a spanko at heart.

Although a lot of play can cross over from one to the other I think that we are talking about two distinct cultural kinky groups.

I think that spanko experiences can be a jump off point for someone who is really a BDSMer but the other way around BDSM can be an introduction to the kinkosphere for someone who is more naturally a spanko. So on a technical level the answer to this weeks question is a yes (IMHO) but I think that sooner or later people will gravitate towards whichever (and in a few cases both) group to which they truly belong.

The play may have similarities but the mentalities are different and both groups can act as gateways to each other.


This Silly Girl said...

Bonnie, what a great topic! And I would have to say a big resounding NO! Strange from someone like me, living a M/s life, to say no. But actually, M/s led to spanking and a random take on the 1950's household, but it most certainly has not, nor ever will, lead me to some of the crazy BDSM stuff out there.
-Mistress Nichole

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